Hi Hilary - HERMES comes from:

High impact approach for Enhancing Road safety through More Effective communication Skills

Hopes this helps.

Thats got to be one of the worst acronym's I've ever seen

Reading into this post i get the feeling you are somewhat angry!! you shouldnt be losing your temper if you feel you are getting knowhere. I have heard you are very knowledgable and very good at what you do i also agree that coaching is a very good tool (so to speak) however, it is just a new name for something old, instructors who have been around for a while have been using this skill for years but have never called it coaching. You say people should invest in themselves and i fully agree with with you so let them, please dont keep pushing a new word on people who do not want it. You are attempting to change peoples attitudes, you should know you can not do that as you can only influence (and to be honest you are not influencing many people on here) a persons attitude they alone will be the one to change it.
Geebee, tricker is correct when he says you do not answer things, you sent me a PM the other day i answered it and in turn asked you a question, you have not yet replied.
Very shortly the Inq will reply to this as he always does in the defence of esolutions, geebee ect, i look forward to that reply. I am bored with this now so will take no further part.

The name HERMES is a bit weak but the project differed from the other preceding EU projects as it produced real resources for instructors with 60 scenarios being available, a state of the art report and a final evaluation of an instructor training program. HERMES and GADGET (the project that produced the GDE matrix) are having a significant impact on driver training throughout Europe. For example instructor training in Finland has been significantly changed based, in part at least, on these projects.

Thanks for that Peacemaker...the cheque's in the post

Thanks, Inquisitor

I think you'll admit that description sounds as though it was made up by a civil servant ( or John Prescott perhaps ).

Hilary.

We recently had some feedback from an instructor who completed a check test and incorporated some of the techniques he had developed on a coaching course we delivered. His grade improved but from the perspective of this post, more importantly, the examiner asked if he had attended a coaching course as he was obviously using coaching techniques. This would indicate that there is a discernible between the approaches when viewed by an independent observer. I thought this would be of general interest to forum.

I recently did some training with an ADI who managed a grade 5, highest grade in 9 years. Supervising examiner commented on her use of thought provoking questions being very relavent and well timed, and yes i was there for the feedback. Old skills are the best???

My point is the examiner could identify coaching approaches - not just questions. The earlier part of this tread indicated their was no difference - if an external examiner can see the difference this would suggest something was different. Although not conclusive, I felt it was an interesting observation.

Did the examiner specify what those differences were in his opinion

Still no reply....thats interesting

Think he might be on holiday?

The examiner identified problem solving and questioning as key areas. However, this is not my point, my point is that people have indicated that coaching is no different to current practice, yet an examiner could identify the difference from independent observation alone.

I presume you were sitting in on this CT so can you tell us what the differences were, and how was the examinere able to make a comparison between what the ADI was doing now that he wasn't doing during his/last CT

Sorry Triker you appear to be missing the point. Please re-read my posts.

Peacemaker.

I have read and re-read your posts and you are correct 'I dont get your point' thats why I am asking you to explain further. You dont appear able to do that When one of your pupils doesn't understand you, do you explain further or do you assume 'its their problem'

How?

Sorry peacemaker i go with triker here i am not sure what you mean? when you say "from independent observation alone"
are you refering to the examiners independent observation or from the pupils independent observation!!

I have also re-read your posts but still dont follow your point.

I think I understand this - but far be it from me to respond and answer on behalf of another member.

Triker I do not come on this forum very often, i have now read eight pages of this and i am sorry to say that from all your postings you have learnt nothing therefore have not ADDED to your TOOLBOX and not incresed your knowledge, methods or attitude.
Coaching is another method to use in conjunction with everything else you already use.
It appears to me that you do not wish to improve yourself,sad that.

Hi Milton,

You may have read 8 pages but you obviously haven't read my OP on page 1. You assume that I dont know what 'coaching' is and you think I need you to explain it to me. Wrong, it is because I understand 'training methods' and the 'Part 3 test' that I am able to question the use of 'coaching' with some authority. I already use 'coaching' methods and have for some years, 31 to be exact I only question its validity during a Part 3 test in 'some' scenarios. You accuse me of 'not learning anything' One very valuable thing I have learned is to read everything carefully before passing comment, something which seems to have escaped you

One of the most effective ways to increase one's knowledge is to ask questions. I dont accept that something is 'better' just because someone 'says it is'. Again if you read my OP you will see that I 'already know' that coaching can be a useful tool in some cases

As far as I am aware you don't know me I have never spoken to you and you have never been privy to my work practices. You have no idea how I structure my training for individual customers and the results I achieve. Yet you 'think' you know where I have been going wrong for the last 30 years. I have met people like you at the test centre. Your mission is to save us 'dinosaurs' from ourselves. A little advice, DONT DO IT you will make yourself look a twit Do you really think that CPD has just been invented Do you really thing that I have managed to run a successful business for 30 years without knowing what I'm doing Where do you think all these things have come from They haven't just happened they have evolved over years of hard work by people like me. People who have tried and discovered different methods. This 'coaching' that you seem to be worshiping was not invented by some idiot in a suit sitting at his computer, it was devoloped by us a long time ago in a land called 'realworld' and we called it 'tuition'.

So before you start critisizing what I have to say I suggest you find out little bit more about the subject. Stop throwing around the same old 'buzz words' as the rest of them and get your head up out of your books and go out and experiment a little.
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